MAUI beta

[wiese]

Maui beta: (not all of HI)

Dave and I have been running around here and I continue to live here. Any questions regarding what gear to bring or what to expect I will be more than glad to help out with, just drop me a line at:

wiese514@hotmail.com

Now with that said, the specific beta per route I will not go into for numerous reasons but I will be glad to take you down a canyon once you are here or help you out anyway I can.

take care
ERICWIESE

[David Black]

Anybody reading this thread and interested in Hawaii beta: Eric is definitely the person to talk to. I would recommend that anyone going Maui hook up with him. He's an excellent canyoner, and just plain entertaining.

[wiese]

found this

http://www.canyoneeringnorthwest.hopto.org/

[damngreg1]

Damn, just returned from Maui and didn't even think of bringing canyoneering gear. Woulda been nice since I was shut out of diving 5 straight days due to wind.

Maybe next time I visit

Greg

[wiese]

I am no longer living in Maui. Only had the chance to put up a hand full of canyoneers. I wish more of you would have came and played.

take care
EW

[AZskibum]

found this

http://www.canyoneeringnorthwest.hopto.org/
Maybe an old link? I don't think that website is what is used to be..

Does anyone out there have a recommendation for sources of Hawaii canyon beta? Planning a visit in early April.

Thanks,
Lars

[rcwild]

I was in Maui until a couple days ago. There is something rather odd going on there regarding access. Canyoning is now ON the radar and the state has decided not to allow it – not just commercial guiding, but ALL canyoning is prohibited.

[oldno7]

What were you guys doing that caused the ban:chillin::surfing:

[rcwild]

What were you guys doing that caused the ban.

Come to think of it ... the rangers didn't say a thing when the girls were canyoning nude. They didn't start raising a fuss until I did it.

Maybe ...

Nah, that couldn't be it. :moon:

[AZskibum]

ALL canyoning is prohibited.
Blasphemy! :mad:

[wiese]

its no joke as of today, but we will see. but there is plenty do to here in Panama and will be in Costa Rica with in the week, but.. no canyoneering for me this trip.

cannot wait to get back to maui though.

take care and GL
EW

[jkern15674]

What is a Hawaiian "RANGER"

[rcwild]

What is a Hawaiian "RANGER"

Not sure if I used an appropriate term. They were law enforcement officers from the Department of Land and Natural Resources. Ranger? Officer? Deputy? I don't really know.

[jkern15674]

Did you encounter them in the canyon?

[rcwild]

Did you encounter them in the canyon?

No. We saw them on the road and stopped to say hi and talk.

[mountain man]

No. We saw them on the road and stopped to say hi and talk.
Is this when you were informed that canyoneering is prohibited? Did they let it slide? Anything we can do to get the canyons open again?

[jkern15674]

Per State of Hawaii, Department of Land & Natural Resources
Hiking safely in Hawaii (which is the only hit on their website)

Avoid undue risks
climbing waterfalls and following narrow ridgelines or gulches off the trail can place you in danger. Rock climbing is extremely dangerous due to the crumbly and porous nature of the volcanic rock. There have been fatal accidents from crumbly rock... don't take the chance.

Doesn't say that it's banned or "illegal"

[David Black]

Eric's right, it's no joke. The situation is very complicated. Right now it really only affects Maui County (which includes Molokai), which is where it's being enforced. Interestlingly, DLNR's reasons for the ban seem be changing from an "it's dangerous" thing to an "it's bad for the environment" thing.

There's no ban appearing on the website because technically they can't ban you from public access. This is a case of the Maui DLNR office inventing excuses to bully a local adventure tourism operation. Also, whatever you may have found on their website has little to do with what we were told by Maui's DLNR Land Manager at the road block that day. When armed officers are hunting you for going canyoneering, you tend to get the picture that it actually is banned. My guess is that the State of Hawaii itself is wishing this had never happened.

[AZskibum]

I'm headed to Maui in about a month, so if there are any changes in the situation, please keep us all posted..

Thanks!

[Adventurenut]

Just to be fair, I think they should ban swimming, surfing, snorkeling, scuba diving, helicopter flyovers, and overeating in Hawaiian restaurants. Good greif, YOU COULD GET KILLED DOING THESE THINGS!!!

[rcwild]

Interesting day today. Received several emails asking me about an article titled Hawaii's Back Yard (http://starbulletin.com/2008/06/15/travel/tsutsumi.html) that appeared in the Star Bulletin back on June 15th. I guess it's just now making the rounds.

The article seems to suggest that things have changed there and canyoneering is allowed again. It's my understanding that the article was published long after the writer did the initial research. Dave is no longer in Hawaii. He's back in Utah. I was in communication with the guide service owner after the article was published. He told me he was surprised to learn the article even came out considering everything that has transpired there.

So, to the best of my knowledge things haven't really changed. If Dave and/or Eric are subscribed to this thread, perhaps they will chime in with more current/accurate information.

[rcwild]

Figured out the reason behind the flurry of inquiries. The article was posted on another forum on the 10th. Seems participants on that forum prefer speculation over facts. Their speculations are wrong. I did receive an email response from Dave. Nothing has changed regarding canyon access. Reasons for the closures relate primarily to perception of risk and liability concerns.

[ewestesen]

I was curious, have there been any developments on canyoneering in Hawaii? My family is all headed down there in the third week of January - my brother-in-law bought a time share in Honolulu.

I was hoping that maybe my dad and I could get away for a day and go do a canyon or two. Any recommendations? Is there anything decent on the main island? Would we be required to go with a guide service? Thanks-

[Sierra Silence]

I just returned from a week of canyoneering in Maui; its not now, nor ever has been "illegal".

[ewestesen]

It sounds like a lot of fun. Is there anything on Oahu? I bet we could make our way over to Maui.

[jkern15674]

@ Sierra what outfit did you use?

[Sierra Silence]

@ Sierra what outfit did you use?


I didn't use any outfit/guide service.

[jkern15674]

Did you speak to DLNR regarding the status of the sport?

[ewestesen]

DLNR?

[rcwild]

DLNR?

Department of Land and Natural Resources