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raymondmiller 07-09-2009 09:52 PM

Can you use a rescue 8 and just go over the knot?

rcwild 07-10-2009 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by raymondmiller (Post 16903)
Can you use a rescue 8 and just go over the knot?

You can, but rescue 8s are generally inappropriate for canyoneering. I wouldn't carry one just for the unlikely event I might have to pass a knot.

deputc26 07-12-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rcwild (Post 16887)
Yes, you could use two rappel devices, but you still need to shift your weight from the one above the knot to the one below the knot.

I have simplified my own knot passing technique: Pre-rig a VT Prusik (valdotain) on the rope above the rappel device.

Thanks this method looks good, I was counting on having to support your full weight with one hand while using the other hand to remove the top rappel device which would be strenuous. Your Prusik method looks a lot better I'll have to try it.

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Originally Posted by rcwild (Post 16887)
You've dug up a thread from 2004..

I went through a lot of the old threads after signing up and was surprised by how much information there was that I was previously oblivious to, thanks for replying to a resurrected thread:beer:

matt 07-13-2009 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rcwild (Post 16899)
Simplest way is to rig a retrievable; i.e. macrame. That would mean passing a knot while hanging on a retrievable.

I agree. However, if a macrame isn't desirable or practical you can run the rope through a small loop of webbing tied to the anchor and block it. Rap, pass knot and at the bottom pull rope back and forth to burn webbing.

DJ Meding 07-13-2009 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by matt (Post 16987)
I agree. However, if a macrame isn't desirable or practical you can run the rope through a small loop of webbing tied to the anchor and block it. Rap, pass knot and at the bottom pull rope back and forth to burn webbing.

Sarcasm doen't always translate well. Best to let others know with maybe a :thmbdn:

rcwild 07-13-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ Meding (Post 17002)
Sarcasm doen't always translate well. Best to let others know with maybe a :thmbdn:

Actually, Dave, I was thinking it was a pretty good idea. Back and forth pull might be a little tough in some circumstances, but the rope weight will aid in the sawing action.

When I was teaching rock climbing, I often demonstrated how easy it is to saw through a piece of webbing with a rope going back and forth -- to illustrate how stupid it is to set up top ropes without carabiner interface.

yyakk7 07-13-2009 02:50 PM

Kurt and Steve demo'd this web/rope sawing process at the BSW in Moab. Impressed me enough not to do this!!!

DJ Meding 07-13-2009 02:53 PM

If all you are doing is sawing back and forth are you not also hurting the rope?

rcwild 07-13-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ Meding (Post 17005)
If all you are doing is sawing back and forth are you not also hurting the rope?

You will cut through the webbing because the friction is being focused on one single point. Friction on the rope is spread over the section that is being rubbed (maybe 5-6 feet). At most you will see some slight burnishing on the rope. You will be amazed at how fast you can cut through the webbing.

DJ Meding 07-13-2009 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rcwild (Post 17006)
You will cut through the webbing because the friction is being focused on one single point. Friction on the rope is spread over the section that is being rubbed (maybe 5-6 feet). At most you will see some slight burnishing on the rope. You will be amazed at how fast you can cut through the webbing.

A slight burnishing? Is that like "a little pregnant"?


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